How Your Brain Works From Elite Military Dog Trainer Ryan Matthews…
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things but then little by little he started getting really like finicky and he started be you know being a little bit aggressive or you know with certain puppies and different things and now he’s becoming this really annoying whiny dog and we’re trying to figure out what to do so this week i hope that if you have a pet or if you ever will have a pet if you have a dog if you have a kid who wants a dog this week is for you um i invited on someone that i met at a conference that i was just so blown away by this person is an army veteran he’s a dog trainer and he has been trained training in the military training elite army canines and he’s now gone on to train over three thousand civilian dogs and it’s a very interesting process my guest ryan matthews is not just an inspirational speaker and a dog trainer and an author and a decorated veteran but he also is now combining using the dog training skills to help veterans and other people going through traumas recover from ptsd using dog training techniques and we’re going to get into the psychology of it we’re also going to get into of course the real tangible how the heck do you get a wonder dog but without any further ado ryan matthews welcome to the show how are you hi matt thank you so much for the introduction i’m doing great man thanks for having me i’ve already been enjoying our little pre-taped talk so i want to jump right in with you um so you were were you part of the army training or were you is this like an outside that the army would bring in to be a dog trainer is that a position tell me a little bit about your the military background and how you found dogs and canine department within it right so i was on a deployment to raica croatia which is really beautiful place right on the water in croatia and i remember while they’re on deployment i had seen these two really cool guys these are two sergeants in the army and they seem super happy all the time and i’m like what’s these guys a secret and next thing you know i see them doing bite protection training where one of them is wearing the big sleeve and the dog’s biting them and this kind of stuff and i was like oh wow that’s exactly what i want to do i definitely don’t have the ideal job here in the army and so i interviewed him i asked if i could talk to him and i’m like how the heck do i become a dog trainer like you and they told me the process and about six months later next thing you know i’m going to lachlan air force base where they train and certify you as a military working dog handler that was back in 2002 matt wow so i mean you’re coming up on 20 years of dog training ability what’s the major difference on and i realized like practical application from military canine versus civilian is probably gonna be something maybe with drugs with bombs with different things like that but as far as the psychology of training the dogs is there any major differences between uh military training and like civilian training on a macro level there’s not a lot of changes it really as far as my philosophy which is known as balance dog training which believes in correcting when necessary and rewarding as well so i believe in both and you don’t always find that in dog training but on a macro level the military working dog curriculum also is about rewarding and correction i think the biggest difference is really that with a military working dog we are correcting a bit harshly these are ferraris you know these dogs have extreme drive versus little hudson does not have the drive of a belgian malinois or he thinks and that’s we’re gonna definitely get into some of that as well which is gonna be really really fun so that’s overall a lot of it’s the same but um it’s also not because we’re dealing with two different very different types of animals as it relates to the type of dogs yeah that makes sense a little bit like say you know training a horse in your home barn versus training a racehorse it’s going to be the same as you said macro principle but there’s a fine-tuned precision that they need or don’t need you might do more or less for different things so this is really interesting so how long have you how long did you end up serving and what caused you to want to enlist in the first place wow that’s a that’s a deeper story in short matt i was running away from things here in southern california that were not very pleasant at all i’m happy to go deeper if we wanted to but essentially i was running away man i was running away from something very uncomfortable where i was afraid for my life and i went to the army recruiter and i said i will sign up right now if you give me two things that i really need and i said number one i gotta get out here station me overseas please anywhere preferably europe i said in number two do it tonight yeah do it tonight and number three give me military police you see matt like i figure that if i okay listen ryan i’m sorry you cannot be like you know i don’t need to get into this but i was running for my life i need mps and you need to station me overseas what’s uh what what’s this backstory man what as much as little as you want to talk about i like what are you running from yeah exactly what am i running from i love how you phrase that and that’s exactly what it was you know they say that there’s that saying where if you can’t beat them join them and that’s exactly what i had done so as a teenager i found a brick of marijuana which for your audience if they don’t know what that means it’s just a large sum of marijuana in the middle of the street and that prompted me to get into a drug dealing career where i thought that that’s the kind of person i needed to be based upon my circle of friends and even my family members which are kind of some of them are pretty tough and so and i’m going to pretend i don’t know what you’re talking about either as if i never had that experience as a teenager so go on yeah and so again we’re i’m walking to school this is in high school and i find this this it’s literally about the shape of a brick that you would use for building something a home or something and it ended up being marijuana inside and when i found it with my friend he’s like oh man let’s smoke it and that’s when i showed my true entrepreneur colors and i said no we’re not going to smoke this i said we’re going to sell it and i became addicted i became addicted to not the drug but the fact that people needed what i had to offer okay so you go you’re in high school now 16 17 years old exactly yep and you’re breaking bad you find a pound of pot or some equivalent and you’re off to the races as a drug dealer that’s right and you know i thought i was cool and you know what i also realized now it took me 30 something years to figure it out matt was that i was always being something that i wasn’t yeah i was not being my authentic self i’m actually not a hardcore guy i’ve done hardcore things but i’m really a very kind and loving type of person and it took me so long to get there and i’m glad that i’m there so again uh what happened was one day my friend essentially tried to rob me on my own drugs now when he tried to rob me i attempted to stab him because i was taught you never trust anyone in that kind of world and when i tried to stab this guy again i did not know what i was doing and the joke is i wasn’t cut out for it because i ended up cutting myself while trying to stab this guy when he tried to cut out yeah yeah so you cut yourself as you’re trying i mean well it’s like how many times really you know you watch the tv in the movies and it’s like oh yeah people are always stabbing and shooting but how often genuinely even in that line of work so to speak are you going to get in this situation to be able to to hone a skill like i mean that that’s crazy so you stab yourself are you getting in trouble are people looking for you now is it the cops looking for you is it the other the other turf guys exactly the other turf guys i like how you phrase that was you know essentially threatened to blow my head off with a shotgun and so when you said what were you running from that’s what i was running from i was running from the fact that i thought they were going to shoot me blow my head off with a shotgun and that’s why i decided to go in as mp because military police i knew that i had to change but i didn’t know how to get there from where i was matt so did you plan on on actually enlisting going into as an mp or growing to an mp yes wow absolutely so that that’s when i went to the recruiter and i said i would i will seriously join right now i need to be military police and i need to go overseas i needed to run and i needed to clean up my act is how i can rephrase that as well so you really knew that like at that point in this are you 18 or i was i was let’s see almost i was yeah i was about 18.
yep so so at 18 years old you had enough foresight to say okay i got to get a i mean it sounds a lot like dog training i got to get the correction i got to get away from this negative and i got to get away from this danger and this bad life choice but i also how much of it was away from and how much do you think was towards thinking you know i think if i go in the army i can get a good life and i can’t have a good future was it like 100 away and you didn’t think of that 80 20 or was it sort of a 50 50 does that make sense it does and so it was twofold one is i and this is like i see i think super profound for all of us is that our environment really matters and i didn’t feel like i could get to where i needed or wanted to go based upon my environment and so one was i knew my environment needed to change and part of environment was my circle and so i know that i knew that should i say the circle that i was with wouldn’t help me get to where i wanted to go that’s right and and so i was kind of like wise beyond my years for a teenager and i guess it was you know a gift from somewhere else an external something that they gave me that insight and i’m so glad that i had some kind of fortitude and wisdom to do something different because i served six years and in 2005 i volunteered to go to the war as a bomb dog handler and you know it was really tough and at the same time i wouldn’t i wouldn’t take any of it back i’m glad that i did all of it when you were there uh where was so couple places you got deployed definitely and during the war which were we talking about what’s the time frame and what were what were what was probably the longest station for you so i was stationed at multiple duty stations while in but in 2005 i volunteered to go to missouri rock with zito which is a explosive detection dog and i worked i was what’s so weird about being a canine handler is that you’re kind of like a special operations person in that you you kind of do your own thing and so i was fortunate enough to work with those guys and then i would also be tasked out to work with infantry and the at the same time when you’re on your own you don’t have support so i literally had zero days of training before combat which is unheard of talk to any military people you know they went to the war they go to like a training center and they train for months i had zero and that was also very humbling as well and i was i was very clueless when i first got there when you’re over there are you just for the for anyone who doesn’t know and i certainly don’t know um you talk about being more independent and i get that it’s sort of like the specialist is being called in when needed do you have your own like canine handler unit and then it’s like hey we need two we need one and then you go off and then you perfect when it’s done or are you stationed like on your own do you have you’re brilliant we so we do we have a canine section and the canine section would make up various branches of the military and so like we had some navy guys we had some marines and then we had some army guys and so what would happen is oh really okay yeah so us as a community in mosul different units such as special operations and infantry would get a tasking to do a special some type of raid or some type of search a village or something and then they would call us and say we’re going out on x y and z mission we need canine support and then they would the kennel master would say okay ryan you’re gonna go out with so and so organization they’re gonna pick you up tomorrow at 7 00 am so i didn’t we didn’t even have a vehicle we would literally get picked it’s like before uber days we would get picked up and dropped off at the beginning and end of a mission and it was so crazy because i had often never met these people before and here we are trusting each other with our own lives wow and would it be like you and a navy guy and a marine might go or would they always pick three army guys because it was an army uh spot or would they pick the navy guys for navy how did that work because i find it interesting that you’d have and i want to ask kind of a secondary question to that all connected about loyalty and maybe it’s subconscious loyalty i certainly have many friends over the years that are veterans and have served in different capacities uh i myself have never had the honor but i i find that so many people say you know the the family the loyalty of the unit and what how does that land when certainly you have the canine unit and maybe it’s like is that the first family and army is second is it army first and how does that work like it may be just in your mind not necessarily you know hierarchically hierarchy however you say that with the hierarchy of the army or the military branches but how does that work in your mind i guess and in your heart that’s i love that question and thank you well you know overseas things change when you’re garrison meaning stateside we give each other a hard time and joke around with the other branches so it is like army first as far as because i was in the army right and but overseas when you’re deployed and when you’re in combat and you know you’re relying on each other as u.
s military we’re all one for sure and mission comes first and we do whatever it takes to get the job done and so we don’t see branches at all it’s irrelevant well you don’t even see them so it’s not like hey we’re gonna get along for the sake of the mission it’s like okay it’s just this is the new drive this is the new unit yeah we need each other man because you know when you’re getting shot at you relying on each other and so you you become you become soul mates real quick pivot is a little bit into sort of civilian life you come off after six years of serving um did you did you want to break from dogs and i guess what it kind of comes to me is i think a lot of times when we get into we do something for a career sometimes the passion or the love for it drops off like somebody once i love rock climbing a mountaineering to somebody a good friend said you should be a guide and i thought to myself the last thing i want to be is a guide and do this for a business because then come the weekends the last thing i want to do is go to the mountains how did you feel about dogs animals in general training did you have a big respite did you think that’s uh that’s my past and then kind of jump back in later or did you hit the ground running in civilian clothes and you said man give me my dog it definitely didn’t play out as your guests may think after after the war i wanted to go back okay but i wanted to go back and so i should better said after the war i got out of the military i was due to be discharged and i wanted to go back overseas as a civilian but i wanted to go back for the money it was 135 000 a year as a canine handler and it was purely out of greed you know there was a civilian dog handler and i remember speaking to him and i was like what do you get paid anyways because you know they didn’t work as hard as us i didn’t feel and he’s like yeah i do about 130 135 a year and i was like okay well now i know exactly what i need to do because matt i did not grow up with money and so for me that was very enticing right and so i get it i was i’m gonna go and don’t judge me i’m speaking your listeners now is i was gonna go back overseas with blackwater now for anyone that knows the world of military and government contracts blackwater has had a really bad name they were kind of viewed as mercenaries right and i was two weeks away from going to their training and they changed up the contract at the last minute and they they were smart and they said look when the dog gets tired you are going to put the dog up and let the dog rest and then you’re going to become an operator and an operator means mercenary almost like a foot soldier and they were smart they were using me double duty they could that’s right exactly and i said hey that’s fine what more do i get paid they said absolutely nothing and i walked away from it so instead matt instead of going overseas back to combat i took a civilian contract job to be a drug dog handler in the marshall islands in micronesia which is the south pacific and the water is the most beautiful you could ever imagine visibility from a boat deep down 150 feet the government of micronesia says we want a dog drug handler and you were like well i fit the bill for that why how did you even consider micronesia of all places when you were talking about europe you grew up in america where did that even come on your radar well when i was stationed in europe i really discovered my love for travel because when i lived in california i actually never left the state my whole life right until i joined the army so i essentially lived in california and then went to europe and then went to like 20 countries in two years time traveling and stuff and so i learned this passion for travel which is so alive in me and and that’s why i wanted to go to micronesia now one clarifying thing was that i didn’t work for the micronesian government i worked for the u.
s government because we have a small army base in the south pacific and it was really cool it’s known as ronald reagan ballistic missile defense test site so you can imagine what’s happening there i i can slightly imagine okay so so you you do this for a while um when when when are you thinking i want to do this on my own um is it kind of that entrepreneur gene or was it not really about entrepreneurs it was just more about hey maybe i want some more freedom i want to be able to do it the way i want um i know you know you have an amazing like an online on-demand diy dog training course that you do but so like what was it hey i need to get out of doing how many hours or was it i want to have a little more control over my life what brought you to kind of bridging the gap of what you’re doing now my transition from working dogs into civilian dogs was actually from a woman a very a very special woman you see after micronesia i drove a atv over mountain cliff that all almost killed an ex-girlfriend in my and me she was on the back of it and i essentially moved to colorado to care for her and help her get back to being as her new 100 percent and when i moved to colorado to care for her i didn’t know what i was going to do for work and i ended up buying into a dog training franchise for 12 500 bucks and i became immediately successful i did 10 grand the first month and so when you ask you know what does that transition look like it was almost by a necessity that’s how i got into pet dog training back in 2008 wow so you see at this point you’re you’re putting her first life and rehabilitation first and what choice do you have you got to find work what work do you know training dogs and all of a sudden here we are exactly and you know that’s emotional for me because she did survive she did and she this is just a beautiful light in the world this woman and i met her in micronesia and i’m so honored to have met her and and experienced life with her and i’m sad to say that this was back in 2000 2007 i guess yeah but uh three years ago i got a call one day that um she was on another atv and she died no and so yes and so that’s part of where this emotion stems from and so when i moved to colorado we broke up a year later but always remain great friends and i’ve always loved and respected her wow where did you live in colorado just side note sure so i lived in fort collins and had a business in loveland right off the main highway i think it was called eisenhower yeah i gotcha that’s it i’m just wondering we might have lived there in the same time because i grew up in orange county california but lived in uh south boulder table mesa area for a good little while around around 2007 i think so oh wow interesting time well let’s let’s pivot from here and i want to ask um just some sort of direct training questions if i can for some of the most some of the most common issues and i’m going to start with the ones i have that i can’t get answers to the first one is the first one is whining because usually it’s like everything i read and hear and watch on videos there’s always dog aggression and you know walk training and things like that but i never hear anything about whining so like we have this again i told you about hudson the wiener dog and he he’ll be a great dog but then all of a sudden he’ll stare at you and start whining and whether it’s whining because he’s bored whining because he goes into a crate whining whining whining whining what is the what’s your take on that psychology wise what are we doing what is he doing anything you got for me i’m in i i got a lot for you and i’ll try to keep it concise so that we can move on other questions but i i recommend that your listeners grab something to write with because this is going to be really awesome and valuable rapid fire dog training advice let’s do it here we go so when it comes to vocalizing such as whining that’s a release of frustration dogs release frustration in three ways one is vocalizing such as whining or barking the other is spinning and then lastly jumping and so what’s happening is hudson is trying to express something to you maybe something that he wants or does not want and what we do is and this is going to be a game changer for you matt and then your audience is if we look at ourselves as well right so hudson is whining at you now what are you doing and i’m willing to bet almost half my bank account on it and when hudson is whining at you you are most likely looking at hudson well yeah yeah and so the problem with when we look at the dog we are actually reinforcing because if you think about it matt if you and i were are in person when i want to talk to you i look to you i look to your eyes so i am what saying i want to communicate now when the animal is whining we don’t want to communicate we want it to be quiet and go away and so sometimes by looking away so then i try to stare him down that’s right yeah that’s weird hey stop it yeah yeah so that’s not working out and so we know it’s not working out because hudson repeatedly does that every single week so we know that technique is not working and so number one is let’s stop staring at our dogs when we don’t want them to okay for the whining number two i believe in compromise so i also assessed does dog need to go potty now i do not allow dogs to say this is what i need this is what i want all the time because then they are leading me and i need we all need to lead our dogs now but i will compromise and look into account have i been acknowledging my dog as i should today or has my dog been neglected is there a need that i need to fulfill within my dog that’s really good that also matters right potty break food or something like that now that does not mean that when my dog comes and whines to me that i get up and go feed my dog no because now i’m just reinforcing that the way you should get my attention is to wine because it works right just like a kid yes but if we play chess and not checkers with our dog on a higher level of intellect then what we do is i say yes i will feed you however i wait till you go lay down on your own and then once the dog lays down on their own like good choice go feed them right so i stored it away and saved it for later okay so quick example so i’m sitting on the couch we’re minding our own business he comes up he looks up and he starts whining normally we’re going to look down and be like and then he looks at me and whines again and then i say or stop or whatever right and then he stops for a second but he still stares now he comes and looks we’re just gonna look away and ignore him and just and what if he keeps on what you just keep ignoring him is there anything to you don’t correct anything you just ignore it until he eventually wanders off he lies down on his bed then if it’s time to eat or time to potty then i get up and take him then okay i love how you phrase that and so what i gave you was phase one option one what’s cool matt is there’s more than one way to train a dog and so you kind of alluded to it so thank you for that you’re you’re sharper than most with dogs for sure is that a correction is a great idea now not all of your audience will be open to that and that’s okay again i’m a big believer in correcting for things we don’t like and rewarding for things we do like so real quick just before you get to that can you just give a distinction between punishment and correction i think that’s the sticking point maybe right it’s sometimes it’s a play on words and perception about how we view those words and so the way i work as it relates to punishment or correction because punishment could be looking away right depending on the dog and their mindset right that could be viewed as punishment from the animal but as it relates to punishment or correction for me it’s about how can i stop the behavior with the least amount of effort possible and it sticks see i can see some behavior but when it repeats again an hour later a minute later or next week then it hasn’t landed in the animal’s brain okay and so that’s why the correction does need to have a certain level of understanding and almost call it um seriousness for it to stick so the behavior does not continue to repeat okay and that’s where people lose off now how can we do that well there’s many ways as it relates to your example matt you can use a shaker can which is just an empty can with some pennies inside or quarters if you’re rich it’s empty tape on top and you shake that thing like a little rattlesnake sound okay that may work for hudson for a week but then he may get immune to it and not care and it all depends upon the dog another option is you could do like a scrape a spray bottle should i say which is some water inside and we have done that and he responds amazing where i think we maybe sprayed him once with a light mist he didn’t like it and now if i just pick it up and aim it at him he stops right and so then the secret then matt is you put one of those spray bottles in every room in the house and that way now here’s here’s how we phase out the bottle that’s genius is the way you phase the bottle out this is next level genius is when hudson makes a good choice that’s how i like to phrase it it’s like hey good choice so what would be a good choice in the instance of your example that is he chooses to be quiet okay and so when he chooses to be quiet you’re mellow you give a very high value reward such as cheese or chicken or dried liver or something like that ooh high value so not just like a little dog bone or something no milk bone no milk bone not high enough value and so that’s why we the next phase is you reward when impressed and now if you think about like a surprise and delight which we have one for your audience right and so if we wow your audience they’re like wow i really want to get to know this ryan guy i want more same holds true with your dog right as it relates to positive reinforcement and so why give milk bone we can give something more valuable and it’s like wow that’s a surprise and delight didn’t expect that coming what did i do for you to give me that then you get the dog’s wheel start to spin then that’s called offering behavior right where their dog starts problem solving on their own and then that’s a very high level of dog training it’s very fun man this is genius again what i love we talk about something that and i’ve studied this you know to the extent of civilian dog owner non-trainer studies right and i understand the basic concepts maybe even better than some worse than others but this is genius where it’s like just that that clarity those little distinctions of the high value reward yes and exactly when to give the high value reward and i’m assuming this goes with affection and everything else can we talk about the other major classic which is dog aggression and i think our dog’s a good example of this i’ve had dogs that were wonderful i’ve had dogs that had major issues but usually in my life at least it’s been this gradual you know i take the dog for a walk and we keep going and we’ve even taken hudson since he was you know two three months old whatever year whatever week it was to the dog park regularly multiple times a week we try our very best to introduce him to people and he was playing wonderfully but little by little he started having issues with bigger dogs and puppies specifically and he’s just starting like i see those signs right it’s starting to become i can’t trust you why are you starting to flip out a little more and they’re going beyond plane can you speak to how the aggression shows up and if you still have time i want to keep going on this we’re a little bit over but that’s going to be just fine we’ll probably break into two parts on the radio that’s cool and one big podcast so how does dog aggression come about how can we prevent it maybe a and then b when we know we’re getting some or we have it what do we do about it wow so this this answer is going to be going way deeper than what you and your audience potentially had thought it would go and wherever you want to go it’s going to be really eye-opening and so you said some really great things and you alluded to some beautiful things as well and so aggression works like this on a macro level in aggression stems from an invasion of space and so hudson is fine when a dog is a mile away hudson is fine when the dog is 100 yards away hudson may not be fine when the dog is 10 inches away okay so is possession or is it spatial or is it both well we could argue that that possessive and spatial is the same because it doesn’t matter if it’s a bone food a dog bed or get out of my personal bubble i’m laying down it’s an invasion of space meaning the animal is possessive of their space right now you also said something about where taking to dog park and that this aggression or however we want to fight maybe reactivity maybe it’s not aggression that’s a good one has has progressed and there’s a difference so reactive just means i don’t want to cause a problem i’m just a bit worked up because i’m too stressed you know what’s interesting is i think he started a little more like that where he was always fine but every now and again there was this other dog who clearly had some kind of weird issue and then he’d come over and bother him and then as a little dog he’d go hey and he put him in his place and then he would stop and go back to normal which i thought was fairly healthy but then he started being the one who i’m like i gotta go get him right now here’s the thing is you’re you’re hitting it all right on for sure here’s the secret here’s the secret what’s the secret the secret is that we need to avoid dog parks and that’s not what we want to hear okay now here’s why i love you for that here’s why number one you have great intentions you want to get your dog exercise i love that respect that value it i teach dogs to run treadmills exercise is so important number two most of the people in the dog park are on their cell phone and we think we want to socialize them is really the idea correct yeah now yes or it’s a socializing thing now here’s the problem is you have a group of people who are responsible dog owners that i miss phrased it you have a group of people that want to do the right thing by their dog they just don’t know what they don’t know and so you have a group of people that have their dogs off leash which is uncommon for them and nearly no one will have off-leash control as in don’t do that when you’re actually correct such as come here while you’re off leash nearly no one will have control number two is nearly no one knows enough about dog behavior and psychology to assess when the play is getting out of hand and number three is you have a group of people that nearly no one knows how to break up a dog fight because dog fights happen at a group sorry in dog parks every single day and trust me i’ve that’s how i started was i studied dog parks well and i’ll tell you and and i’ve watched those too i mean you know i watch people and it just i cringe because all of a sudden the two dogs start getting into it and then here you got two people are reaching in with their hands and trying to grab the dogs by the collar and it’s like what a way to get bit not a great idea correct so stay out what about this too and i think like that pack mentality i always think i’m sitting in the dog park maybe there’s 10 dogs i go gosh here’s this kind of temporary pack and i watch how sometimes it’ll become calm maybe there’s six dogs and they kind of they they sorted each other out and everyone’s okay some dogs play some dogs stay at the room but they’re all just kind of working themselves out for like 10 minutes right new dog comes in and all of a sudden you have a whole new pack and then a dog leaves then another dog comes and it’s like it’s constantly changing yes that create like levels of anxiety for the whole temporary pack if that’s even the right way to say that it’s a great way to say it and we could also say it as it’s a shift in the energy shift in the energy yeah because because like we all got to know each other and we have our own vibe now as a unit but now we just brought something external into us and we need to know what this is all about now that other dog oh man this is good the other dog got out of the car and it’s pulling the owner to the dog park and so it’s really hyper it’s really excited to go do zoomies as soon as it gets in whereas everyone else had run around that’s inside they’ve already checked things out they’ve sniffed the area the other dog is ready to go sniff the area it’s ready to meet everyone everyone inside has already met and so you have this really excited dog coming in and these other dogs that have already kind of figured it all out and so this new dog coming in has shifted and changed up the energy and that’s can be a good thing but not always you see how how it can be really just changed up by through one made one fundamental change absolutely okay so we avoid dog parks we take them for walks yes but they need socialization right and so yeah so let’s go back to that aggression socialization piece yeah so we definitely must have socialization and and what you can do is if you see someone at the dog park let’s say you’re like yeah i don’t care what ryan says i’m going to keep going well how about we compromise because i really like to compromise with dogs and people so what does it look like if we were to say you know i’ve seen this person coming often and their dog’s chill they seem nice they always say hello why don’t we reach out to that person and maybe a couple of others and set up our own private play date where we know the dogs and we know the people we like the energy of both now it’s a positive experience versus a bunch of strangers meeting up don’t know anyone’s energy then things can potentially get bad so i’m not discouraging socialization i’m discouraging unhealthy socialization that’s a great distinction a really good idea i think that fear is that and like if my dog is starting to act aggressive or weird i feel like gosh i i’m scared so i i i know i want to withdraw and keep him at home more but at the same time i know that’s not good for him i don’t want him to be that that dog who’s stuck at home looking out the window thinking everybody’s the enemy so make some play dates that’s great and then what else can we do what else can we do to sort of shift that spatial the possession the i guess get them more friendly get them more friendly but also have more awareness and be your own dog’s advocate so what i mean by have more awareness is be next level responsible dog owner learn dog behavior in psychology i’m a big believer in reading body language so i teach people how they can reach body language in actually the online course and there’s like 10 videos specifically about reading body language and it goes deeper than hey that wagging tail the dog’s happy because a wagner tail does not mean happy it can a wagging tail means excitement and there’s good and bad excitement in life and so i teach you how to read the entire dog’s body language and that matters because we need to be our dog’s advocate so when hudson is feeling triggered or stressed it’s our job to recognize in our in our babe and then having enough as a skills as a handler to get other dogs to back away so i live close to the beach here in orange county and my dog and i we run on the beach often and when dogs are being a bit rude to my dog or if they charge him in a certain way i know it will trigger him i use my spatial awareness and this is one of the secrets to get that other dog to back away i use my own presence to get the dog to back away and so that’s part of me being zeus’s advocate not let zeus getting stressed out because i know that that dog’s energy is going to bother zeus zeus wants a particular type of dog to interact with as it relates to personality and energy and i facilitate that and that’s exactly what we do on our private meetups like meetup.
com or our private play dates and so that’s something that we can all do is set our dogs up for success is to know how to read the body language when the other dogs go going to be triggering and when our own pet gets triggered we got to be you know be their biggest fan can i tell you man that that ryan is really nice to hear from an elite dog trainer like yourself that’s worked with so many thousands of civilian and military dogs to say that your personal dog can get triggered in my head i always think you know i think of like a golden doodle or a labradors you know one of the say the mild-mannered breeds quote-unquote and i think oh you know whoever my dog is my responsibility is that i should get him he should be the ultimate happy let everything go you know but it’s like nobody’s like that and to know that no humans are like that i don’t think even healthy for me to say i’ll let any behavior go there’s certainly if you’re with humans and i’m gonna go whoa what are you doing buddy get out of here right so you’re saying it’s okay for dogs to to kind of be choosy with the energy and with the personalities yes you want to advocate so you support what’s healthiest for them and helping to avoid or or eliminate the things that are unhealthy is that fair to say that’s 100 and friends let’s take it a step further and say this that not all dogs want to socialize but we want them to that’s part of the dream that we had when we first got the dog was to go and play and be social and but you know what not all people are social and dogs can be the same way okay and so do not force it that’s why we need to know how to read the body language and just know what know the essence of your animal okay so that we can give them the best life possible maybe your dog’s totally content with not meeting other dogs or maybe dog really craves it and if your dog craves it we want it to be healthy and balanced that’s all hudson craves it i like that though but there’s sergeant the other wiener dog two blocks over we met at the dog park that my wife is connected with that’s wonderful so we can complete it with them we have friends couple blocks the other way with a dog brodie who’s a big dog but they seem to get along really well so hanging out with them just together or in the house or something is a great way to do it rather than the dog park i love that um and then last thing is what if like say on leash aggression say we’re going for a walk and he starts there’s a dog across the street what do we do about that let’s address that and then also when you just shared what you had i need to just point out that we would want the dogs to meet on neutral ground so what i would propose is we go for a walk together as a pack then we go inside the house or the backyard that’s very very important and then matt i wanted to actually do something i don’t know that i’ve ever done this before on an interview is i’m going to give i want to give you a gift that i give the exclusive people in my membership where i want you if you would like to send me a video of the play you send the video i will assess the video and i will break down what’s happening for you if you send me that video of that play i want to make sure that hudson’s getting the proper fair play that’s a win for everybody so i wanted to give that as as a gift of essentially me assessing a socialization video for you oh my gosh that’s so kind that’s amazing yeah man yeah it’s not something you do in your members group which by the way we should probably plug and check this out um the website is worldofdogtrainingonline.
com exactly world of dog training online.com diy it’ll be in the show notes if you see the show on demand you can get a whole free week of diy dog training on demand there’s an e-course ryan’s created as you talked about and alluded to there’s a whole membership community there’s a course for it there’s deep deep training on this if you have a dog or you want to get a dog in any capacity no matter whether they have problems or not this is something that can be so huge and beneficial so make sure you go check that out again world of dog training online dot com diy um and you get a whole free week uh check it out and enjoy it for a week and and make the changes and i think you’re gonna fall in love with the community yeah that’s pretty cool man thank you for that now let’s address this whole leash pulling thing now here’s here’s the thing is i talk about and we mention this in the course that the walk starts in the house you see what we do matt is we’re like are you ready to go for a walk are you ready are you ready so we hyped the dog up and then we’re like oh man ducks are dang hyper going on the walk it’s like we conditioned it friends because it’s fun to see our dogs hyper it is right especially whether it’s balance exactly it’s this balance of all right well if we’re going to condition it do we really want to have this end result so just be make an informed decision right on our actions so if i hype the dog up just know i’m setting the wrong tone for the walk so if you’re okay with the dog pulling maybe don’t do it if you’re fine with pulling no problem right so number one starts in the house with dog being calm okay now number two is make the dog wait at the door so you’re the first one out sets the tone for the walk as well now there’s particular ways to hold the leash so that it feels nice and relaxed for both you and the dog now a lot of us hold the leash like a bird’s nest that’s not going to be a good start and the other part is when we encounter a distraction what do we tend to do especially with the bigger dogs we use our left hand or our opposite hand that’s not holding the leash and we grab closer down to the collar the buckle right and so when we do that think of the beard be the dog for a second everyone be the dog imagine what is the signal we’re sending to the dog be on the receiving end of that okay so the other hand grabs that leash even more so we have conditioned that something is about to happen right now it’s anticipation that’s right it’s we and we’re also getting our energy like i get my energy a little more tense a little more anxious because i’m like oh no i don’t want him to bark and go crazy again because he always does that yes now i’m more tense and then i’m gonna pull and i’m gonna have more tension on the leash and everything so he’s going to feel that yes now pulling pulling is what the public does that’s that’s matt you and and the other dog people that are not dog handlers yet but you all can be very soon yeah and and so the secret mat rather than a pull is what i i developed it’s called loose pop loose and it’s a technique that you give a leash correction remember correct when when the dog needs to do something better and reward when impressed and so i teach you all how to be proactive and not reactive so that we can catch the dog before they begin to lunge before they begin to wind or bark towards another dog i teach you how to read the signals ahead of time number one and then the other part is the loose pop loose technique and so really that looks like this the leash needs to be loose it cannot be taut then you snap it with your wrist it’s a very snappy wrist action reaction should i say and it’s very quick and dynamic and then the animal’s like oh wow now it also depends upon the type of collar that the dog is wearing okay so there’s there’s different types of collars there’s the flat buckle collar there’s harnesses then there’s choke chains and prong collars and so the type of collar this is kind of a more in-depth explanation that we don’t have time to get into but i’m happy to help your audience figure that out as well for their specific dog but the caller matters we tug the leash in a snappy manner called loose pop loose not a pull pull is going to just create an oppositional reflex you pull back that was going to pull forward you’ve seen it time and time again and then the other part is to be proactive and not reactive in understanding how to read the dog before they start lunging or barking okay now let’s say that we got our dog calm that’s when we reward and again it’s very high value to be like i am so proud of you i’m so pr impressed with you and now there’s one piece that is often not talked about and that is we are concerned with how it’s going to go but what happens if we start to walk with our arms relaxed with our chin up and our chest out and we’re confident that our dog is going to make the right choice what happens if we shift our mindset and this works with our own personal life as well right if we shift our mindset and have more confidence in ourselves and our dog then you’d be amazed at what can happen i for me it’s like intuitive kind of stuff it’s almost feel spiritual and it’s it’s very unique it’s i call the highest level and the finessing the art of dog training it’s very fun and but to get there sometimes it takes a better knowing of our animals and knowing how to read them and so i i’m happy to facilitate that for those that are ready and you’re really i mean you’re just taking on the psychology of expectation of this is how it is this is the reality i’m creating in a way there you go and and i feel it i know it and i’m gonna walk as if and what it sounds like is you know the dogs can sense the energy and they might not do that right they might not be exactly what you expect them to be but if you expect it would you say they’re much more likely to fall in line with that energy 100 percent because number one our dogs are our followers they look to us for guidance number two and this this can highlight everything we talked about with leash just remember this that energy runs down leash okay that’s all you need to remember everything runs down leash starts from you goes down that’s really good that’s the most succinct way to explain all of dog energy and psychology there you go man unleash awesome well listen i’ve kept you much too long thank you for for jumping in as much as you have uh with all the questions and everything um final question man you know looking back at everything that you do if there’s anything that you could change in your life any experiences that you would go and redo differently would you change anything or would you leave it all the same i would and in the past i’ve answered it as no i wouldn’t and and for today where my mindset is the one thing i would want to change is that i had wished that i was of more service sooner in my life i waited until i was like 35 years old and i wish i was sharing my gifts and talents sooner with people man that’s well said i appreciate it well ryan matthews everybody thank you ryan thank you matt it was a great time all right guys that’s the show for this week so listen that was ryan matthews wow um we went way way extra on time so i hope you love that we i just want to keep on going because look if you want to stop halfway through because you don’t have a dog all good you got a good story but man if you have a dog or you ever will or you have a friend with a dog like you know you gotta be careful about how you give the advice but you know most people if they have an issue with their pet you know they’re pretty open to some simple solutions and ryan is full of them so you can follow ryan on facebook and linkedin at i am ryan matthews i am ryan matthews on facebook and linkedin and then grab a free week at dog training diy join me in the course i’m going to be in there as well and checking this out and trying to get hudson to obey trying to get him to make him stop whining we’re going to reward him with high value treats for high value behavior and spray bottle in every room there’s some good stuff in here and again you can get that at worldofdog training online dot com slash diy that’s it for me this week i am out get out there and have a great weekend stay driven do what you do um and as in the words of ryan matthews be of service as early as you can in life and in your business all right love you guys i’ll see ya bye bye you